The Dirty Christian

A blog that aims to work through material both religious and non-religious with the goal of introducing new thoughts and perspectives to readers and the writer himself

Sunday, October 04, 2009

Relections on The God Delusion - Preface

The God Delusion begins with Richard Dawkins explaining that this book is for people who didn't know they could. In specific, for people who have been brought up in religion and don't believe, who feel at odds with the some actions taken by their religion or feel that there is intense pressure by family and friends to stay in it.

On observations on readings and speaking with family and friends I must make this point clear. There are many different degrees to religion. Unfortunately, the fundementlistic areas of all religions give religion a bad name. Whether it is the extremeist Islamic sects or the strong fundementalal Christians in the south of the United States, all show strong views of hatred and strong intolerance towards individuals and groups which in todays society is unacceptable. Luckily, I live in Australia, which although would be described as predominantly Christian, religion just doesn't seem to effect things as much. Whether it is our political system and government or within our communities, religion is present in various forms and denominations but generally there is an 'easy come, easy go' attitude.

All Christians do not believe in the same thing. Speaking to a friend (non-believer) recently he mentioned that he did not like the hypocrasy of someone he knew who although was a 'Christian' he used contraception which the Roman Catholic Church is against. I had to point out that the Pope did not speak for many denominations of the Christian faith and in fact I was not a fan of how the Roman Catholic faith worked largely to strictness, guilt and commanding nature of it. There are more liberal faiths around.

And it would be these more liberal and relaxed faiths that although would want people to stay connected with their faith and spirituality, would respect people if they felt they needed to change their views or affliations. In a church where all are accepted regardless of sex, race, sexuality and past, all people are wished well if they choose to decide to continue their journey elsewhere. In a church that is strict and judgemental, people are often chased out for having different views or guilted back into the mainstream.

But back to The God Delusions... Dawkins then suggests that we should imagine a world with no religion and gives several examples of things that would not have happened if religion didn't exist such as 9/11, the crusades, Northern Ireland troubles, televangelists, Taliban and others. I'm not going to pretend that religious belief isn't a  major cause of angst in all of these situations and that without it, the majoirty of these problems would disappear all together. What I would suggest is that as a whole humanity has grown considerably in the past few centuries and that of all the institutions in our world, religion is the last to change, the most resistant.

As a 25 year old I can not imagine a world where women or people of other races could not vote and did not have a say. However for a large percentage of people alive today these changes occured in their lifetime. Humanity as a whole is rejecting oppression and discrimination. Are religions and some churches slow to accept this, Yes. Does it excuse them for the hatred and angst they foster, No. Should society continue to push the beliefs and actions of religious organisations and challenge them to reevaluate how they act? Absolutely!

I am not going to use the excuse that religion does a lot of good so it balances out the bad. Anything wrong within society's standards is clearly unacceptable. Although Roman Polanski maybe a brilliant director, it doesn't mean that he can raper and assualy young girls and then never be charged or punished. It doesn't matter if 10 million extra people have been fed in Africa if a 12 boy is being sexually abused in the middle of a populous town. I would say however for past wrongs in times where there have been similar problems that reflect on society rather than religion that these should be forgotten.

Dawkins then goes on to explain a little about each chapter and I will leave that for later posts! He then speaks about people should be able to be proud that they are atheists and comment how people particularly in America are anti-athiest. While I understand where he is coming from, that people should not have to hide their thoughts and life-values, neither do I think you need to rub them in everyone's faces. I do not walk down the street yelling at people to 'listen to God'. Neither do I sit in church and scream 'A God that gives free choice, but if you don't follow his way you die?'. While it is imporant to be able to share your values and opinions, it is more important that you can live your live free of people continually judging you, no matter what your spiritual beliefs. As for people being more likely to vote for anyone than an athiest, it shows that people are obviously care about others religious beliefs more than anything else. I don't believe that this actually makes people better letters or politians and is probably more of a sad reflection on the state of our corrent society than anything else.

In concluding before going on to thank all the people who helped him with the writing and publishing of the book, Richard Dawkins states that he hopes that religious readers will be athiests by the time they finish the book. I must admit that this is the part that made me put the book back on the shelf on my first read. How dare he write something that is specifically designed to make people lose faith! I guess this is hard for me to take as while the church I attend certainly wants to grow the faith, none of our material is designed to turn a persons spiritual beliefs in reading. Not even the Bible does that!

On reflection however I know that many religions do in fact have material specifically designed, debated, tested and trialled to target those in need, depression or trouble and offer them a way out and Dawkins is doing nothing more than that here. Perhaps I just feel that it should be handled a different way whether it be being wanting to learn more or learn less about a religion's views and beliefs. Don't target those who are weak but offer to all in a conversation and  discussion rather than these are the facts. Accept them and be rid of your situation or ignore them and stay miserable.

So that's the preface done and dusted. Sorry again for the spelling and grammer woes... Really need to sort that out!

4 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Interesting. Not necessarily my views, but interesting. I read The God Delusion recently, and I have similar observations - I would love, however if, as a Christian, you could answer and discuss these questions for me.

1. The Word of God.
If the Bible is the word of God, then why is man allowed to (or he just does it anyway) reinterpret it? Why is homosexuality okay now versus then, why are women allowed rights outside of man when woman was made for man etc.
Is the Word of God not infallible?
If so, then why did God make man imperfect enough as to be capable of such evil?
I mean it's easy to say the Word of God as written by man is going to be fallible - but 90% fallible? Surely God could have sent a copy editor.
Or made some burning bush dictations.
Or make it rain Tipex?

Isn't there some amount of hypocrisy involved in a pick and choose morality - and if our morality doesn't sync with the word of God, then where does it come from?
Surely divine God, being all knowing, all powerful, (and suspiciously hands off since the book ended) would see all time and be socially responsive? If not, then why stop at modernising the Bible, and simply discard all but its core tenants?
(ala Thomas Jefferson in his "The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth")

And if we do, what makes the Good Book anything more than a good book?

And does a good book need the angry, angry sky man to make us do what it says?

2. Moosalims (American Pronunciation)
Why do we frown on a people who are more religiously devout than us? Sure, they cage their women in black fabric cells, and rob them of liberties, and cut the hands off sodomites, but at the end of the day - they're just following the word of God... isn't that noble? Why the disparity? (I mean apart from them being smelly sand monkeys and all)

3. The God Disconnect -
Or
Mommy, Where Did My Meaning Come From?

At some point in our lives, we turn to the sky and ask "Why?" All of us, every being on this planet is searching for a reason to give their life meaning. Some of us find it in art, science, leaving footprints - others find it in the hope of something better. What is that something better to you? When was the moment when you decided you needed God in your life - why the Christian god? I hear they have some pretty awesome deals on other, slightly more kinky gods (that slutty tart Baal springs to mind...)
Do you think that indoctrination at a young age played a part in your decision - do you (be honest!) feel that were you not brought up in a Christian environment that you would have found this exact God?

I mean - trying to stimulate not agitate here... just curious. Debating is fun.
Richard Dawkins does not Google himself.

12:00 am  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Additionally, doesn't Christianity intentionally target the weak?
Studies show church attendance is highest in poor neighbourhoods.
The undereducated and poor are intentionally targeted by churches across America and Australia as an easily scared, easily controlled congregation. These people are desperately seeking something better - and the good news is, that they're not going to come back from Heaven to complain about it not being there...
Isn't that what all these missionaries (it's not just a position!) are about? Education, clean water, (not dying) - comes at the cost of accepting the dominance of a foreign God. Keeping in mind that the same places are now health disaster zones because said God really doesn't like you not having HIV or not having a rapist's baby.

This even spills over into local politics. The rights of a woman to choose what happens to her body are clouded only by our foolish, religious conviction that a cluster of cells has a soul.

I think if anything, Richard Dawkins offers a compelling argument against faith that any religious person of sound mind would find deeply disturbing. Why? Because it is absolutely and utterly plausible that a life without the mud in the water that is religion could be better than the life we live today. And that, for someone who relies on faith as the purpose for their existence is terrifying.

Utterly terrifying.

Until you look around and you realise... wow.

If you let go of someone else's reason, you get to make your own.

Rather than look to the divine for absolution of sins, you have to forgive yourself, - a far more challenging, but infinitely more rewarding process.

There is so much more to know... to understand... to love... to explore... to dream... an expanded, unlimited universe.

And you get to eat babies at the death orgy.
Which is a definite plus.

12:47 am  
Blogger The Dirty Christian said...

I will try and answer questions here in the comments as it wasn't really the intention of my blog. Many issues raised but I'll give it a crack!

1) The Word Of God.
For me, the Bible is fallible not just because it was written by man but also because it was written be 1st-3rd century man. The Bible is an accurate representation of society in 300 A.D. So women and gays are bad and slaves are good! These sections of the Bible have not been removed because I think the Bible is both a historical and a helping book. In other words, this is what was done/felt/acted in this time when it was written. I am not suggested that it is a 100% factual historical document.

Is there hypocrisy in picking and choosing? Abosolutely. There are hundreds of different Christian denominations that all focus on different things. I guess its about choosing what's right for you and then accepting other people's beliefs as their best connection with the things they feel is important in life. Addtionally I don't see God as an angry man enforcing his rules - thats probably more of an Old Testament/Catholic view perhaps but I agree that this view of God would turn people away from belief or understanding.

2 & 3 Combined.
I dont think people should frown upon other religions. I think you can frown upon the extremists from any religion that say if you don't believe what we do, we can kill you however I believe that these people are in the minority despite every news report saying otherwise.

Ultimately no one religion has it 100% correct and I agree with you that a large reason why I attend the denomination of faith and even a Christian church is because of where I have lived and been surrounded with. But isn't your faith shaped by your surrounding, your upbringing? Isn't your faith central to your life, what you have experienced and trying to work out how to take that with you wherever you go? I believe that other religions should be respected for those reasons, who knows they maybe more correct about much more than we think!

8:46 am  
Blogger The Dirty Christian said...

In response to the other stuff... I think Christianity and other religions do target the weak. The Catholics are the McDonalds of the Christian world. During the economic crisis, McDonalds actually raises prices in lower income suburbs knowing they will make a larger profit. I think some churches do the same. The Roman Catholic Church has moved in to Africa and many of the weak and scared people have taken up it's beliefs and traditions.

Although a whole seperate rant on its on, I know that my church doesn't and my God doesn't hate you for having HIV and as for abortion, for me it comes down to this. Abortion is murder if you believe that life begins at fertilisation. If you beleive that life begins at birth then it's not murder as the 'life' hasn't started. For me personally, life begins at conception making abortion murder, however having said that, I can understand why people would choose to have it particularly in certain cases like rape. I've certainly never been faced with the situations people face when they have an unwanted pregnancy so I'm not going to try and intervene or judge.

I will say this though... Don't be like the lady I heard in the carpark who said 'Yes, I need to have my 4th abortion this week. I am so silly, keep forgetting to take my pill' - If you need to have an abortion and there is a lesson to be learnt on your behalf (not always the case) PLEASE learn it!

Regarding local politics, I am lucky that I live in Australia where although religion certainly plays a part in the lobbying of politicians and law, the people voted into parliament and councils usually have very little to do with their religious beliefs so that they laws that need to get passed for society isn't held back by a minority opinion.

As for there being a good argument for there being no God, I believe that there are many good points and I recognise and respect people for this decision. For me I don't see how my world, life or knowledge is restricted because of my beliefs. Maybe it is and I am missing it. To me, God doesnt mean I cant learn more, understand more, love more, explore more and dream more, but everytime something new happens it can add to what I already know and even turn everything upon its head.

8:59 am  

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